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A real-life story · United States, 1978

The near-death experience of Mrs. M.

In January 1978, a 60-year-old woman lost consciousness in a hospital bed, and the doctors resuscitated her. She later said she had left her body and watched them resuscitate her. She also said she saw them prick her hand with a small needle to draw blood.

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Michael Sabom was a cardiologist who didn’t believe in these experiences. Sabom calls her Mrs. M. to keep her name private. Sabom looked up her medical record from that morning. The record says that at 7:30, blood was drawn from one of her arteries. According to Sabom, Mrs. M. had never seen that medical record. How did she know about the needle?

Step 1

1976 · In Gainesville, Florida · Michael Sabom’s account

A cardiologist who didn’t believe in these experiences decides to check them

Illustration from The near-death experience of Mrs. M.: “A cardiologist who didn’t believe in these experiences decides to check them”

Michael Sabom was a cardiologist at the University of Florida. One Sunday in 1976, a social worker named Sarah Kreutziger presented the book Life After Life, by Raymond Moody, at his church. The book collected accounts from people who had come close to dying.

He was the only doctor in the room, and they asked him what he thought. He answered, “I don’t believe it.”

He had taken part in more than a hundred resuscitations. He knew very well what one looks like. He thought that if a patient said they had seen their own resuscitation, he would find mistakes in the account.

Sabom began interviewing people who had survived a life-threatening crisis, together with Sarah Kreutziger. He also looked up their medical records to compare. One of those people was a woman from Ohio. On the page about his book we explain how Sabom worked and what the limits of his study are.

Step 2

January 1978, at 7 a.m. · In her hospital bed · Mrs. M.’s account

Mrs. M. says she felt very strange while waiting for breakfast

Illustration from The near-death experience of Mrs. M.: “Mrs. M. says she felt very strange while waiting for breakfast”

Mrs. M. was 60 years old and a homemaker in Ohio. She was in the hospital for very severe back pain. She was diabetic and had heart disease.

One morning, she was in bed waiting for breakfast. Suddenly she felt very strange. She looked toward the door and saw the nurse. She told her, “Something’s wrong.” That is the last thing she remembers before losing consciousness.

The medical record gives the time. At 7:00, she told a nurse that she felt weak and dizzy.

Ten minutes later, the nurse could no longer measure her blood pressure.

Step 3

Between 7:10 and 7:20 · Critically ill · From her medical record

The nurse can’t find her blood pressure and calls a cardiac arrest alert

Illustration from The near-death experience of Mrs. M.: “The nurse can’t find her blood pressure and calls a cardiac arrest alert”

At 7:10, the nurse noted that Mrs. M. had a very weak pulse and was barely breathing. The nurse couldn’t measure her blood pressure. At about 7:15, she called a cardiac arrest alert, and a doctor arrived right away.

At 7:20, she wasn’t responding. They started an IV. They gave her an injection of sugar in case her blood sugar had dropped too low, but she didn’t react. More doctors and nurses arrived, and they began to resuscitate her.

Some time later, the nurse told her what she had found when she got to the bed. Mrs. M. had no pulse and wasn’t breathing. She learned part of what happened because the nurse told her.

Mrs. M. says that, all this time, she was outside her body.

Step 4

During the resuscitation · Mrs. M. is not responding · Mrs. M.’s account

Mrs. M. says she left her body and saw the resuscitation team arrive

Illustration from The near-death experience of Mrs. M.: “Mrs. M. says she left her body and saw the resuscitation team arrive”

Mrs. M. had left her body. She was off to one side of the bed, “in sort of like a tube.” From there she could see what they were doing to her body.

She saw the resuscitation team come in with a cart full of equipment. She saw the doctors and nurses rushing around. Everyone was doing something.

She could see the faces of the people on one side of the bed. She saw the backs of the people on the other side. She watched the expressions on their faces.

Then she paid attention to what they were doing to her body.

Step 5

During the resuscitation · Mrs. M. is not responding · Mrs. M.’s account

Mrs. M. says she saw them pushing on her chest but couldn’t feel it

Illustration from The near-death experience of Mrs. M.: “Mrs. M. says she saw them pushing on her chest but couldn’t feel it”

Mrs. M. saw a doctor push on her chest over and over. They put a cone-shaped oxygen mask on her face that covered her nose. They took it off soon after.

She saw her own face very clearly. She saw them lift her eyelids to look at her eyes. And she saw them feel for the pulse in her neck.

She didn’t feel anything. She could see them pushing on her chest, but it didn’t hurt.

Then she saw a small needle.

Step 6

During the resuscitation · Mrs. M. is not responding · Mrs. M.’s account

Mrs. M. says she saw them prick her hand with a small needle

Illustration from The near-death experience of Mrs. M.: “Mrs. M. says she saw them prick her hand with a small needle”

Mrs. M. saw them start an IV in her right hand. She also saw a small needle going into her hand.

This is how she told it to Sabom:

“I could see the little needle they were putting in my hand. Something about the blood gases.”

Mrs. M., in her interview with Michael Sabom, published in his book Recollections of Death (1982)

Blood gases are a test. A little blood is drawn from an artery to measure how much oxygen it carries. During a resuscitation, the test shows whether oxygen is reaching the body.

She didn’t feel the needle go in. That surprised her, because you usually feel it.

Mrs. M. names the test: “the blood gases.” She herself says she could hear what the doctors were saying. She heard a doctor ask for something for the IV.

Meanwhile, someone was gathering up her belongings.

Step 7

During the resuscitation · Mrs. M. is not responding · Mrs. M.’s account

Mrs. M. says a young woman was packing her things into bags to take up to the ICU

Illustration from The near-death experience of Mrs. M.: “Mrs. M. says a young woman was packing her things into bags to take up to the ICU”

Mrs. M. heard the doctor say, “We’re going to have to get her up to ICU.” The ICU is the intensive care unit.

Then she saw a young woman take all her things out of the drawer and the locker at the foot of the bed. The young woman packed everything into bags and suitcases.

When she came to, everything had been labeled with her name, ready to go upstairs.

Mrs. M. saw the labeled bags later, once she was awake. And in the end, she was never moved to the ICU.

Step 8

At 8:00 · Mrs. M. wakes up · From her medical record

Mrs. M. comes to with a pain in her chest, and she is not moved to the ICU

Illustration from The near-death experience of Mrs. M.: “Mrs. M. comes to with a pain in her chest, and she is not moved to the ICU”

Mrs. M. says that, suddenly, she was back in her body. She was lying in bed, looking up at the doctor.

The medical record says that her blood pressure came back up between 7:30 and 8:00. At 8:00 she was fully awake. She had a mild pain in her chest. They did an electrocardiogram and it was normal. An electrocardiogram is the test that measures the rhythm of the heart.

The doctors thought her heart had briefly lost its normal rhythm. Her back pain could have triggered it in a woman who was diabetic and had heart disease.

The medical record doesn’t say her heart stopped. It says her blood pressure couldn’t be measured and she wasn’t responding. She was in that state for less than an hour.

Seven months later, she told Michael Sabom about what she had been through.

Step 9

August 1978 · Seven months later · Michael Sabom’s account

Mrs. M. tells Sabom about her experience, and he records the interview

Illustration from The near-death experience of Mrs. M.: “Mrs. M. tells Sabom about her experience, and he records the interview”

Sabom interviewed many survivors in the hospital without knowing whether they had had an experience like this. Mrs. M. was not one of them. She came to Sabom because she was already talking about her experience.

Sabom recorded the interview. He asked her specific questions. He asked where she was watching from, what equipment was there, and what they did with it. Mrs. M. told him there was a cart with lots of things on it, but she didn’t know what they were.

This interview is the earliest version we know of her account. There is nothing in writing from before it.

Afterward, Sabom looked up her medical record from that morning.

Step 10

After the interview · Michael Sabom’s account

Sabom finds the blood drawn at 7:30 in her medical record

Illustration from The near-death experience of Mrs. M.: “Sabom finds the blood drawn at 7:30 in her medical record”

Sabom says Mrs. M. had never seen her medical record. The record had the times from that morning. The dizziness came at 7:00. By 7:10 her blood pressure could no longer be measured. And the cardiac arrest alert came at about 7:15.

The blood gas test was there too. At 7:30, blood was drawn from an artery and sent to the laboratory. That was in the middle of the time when she was seriously ill.

This part could be checked. Sabom writes that the medical record specifically mentions this test. Sabom doesn’t say clearly whether the record says it was in her hand.

Other things are not in the medical record. The record says they started an IV, but not in which hand. And it says nothing about the bags for the ICU.

One question remained. Could she have guessed what a resuscitation is like?

Step 11

During the same years · In a cardiac unit · Michael Sabom’s account

Sabom asks 25 heart patients to imagine a resuscitation, and 20 get it wrong

Illustration from The near-death experience of Mrs. M.: “Sabom asks 25 heart patients to imagine a resuscitation, and 20 get it wrong”

To find out, Sabom interviewed 25 heart patients in a coronary care unit. They had been ill for years, and almost all of them had had a heart attack. They knew hospitals well.

He asked them to imagine they were watching someone being resuscitated from a corner of the room. They were to describe only what they were sure they would see.

Twenty of the 25 made at least one major mistake. The most common one was thinking that doctors give mouth-to-mouth, which is hardly ever used in the hospital. Others said the patient is struck on the back, or that the chest is opened.

Mrs. M.’s account has no mistakes of that kind. But there is a difference. Those 25 patients had not been through a resuscitation. She had been through one. During her resuscitation she may have heard or felt things.

Step 12

1982 · Michael Sabom’s account

Sabom publishes Mrs. M.’s case in his book

Illustration from The near-death experience of Mrs. M.: “Sabom publishes Mrs. M.’s case in his book”

In 1982, Sabom published his book Recollections of Death. Mrs. M. is one of the six cases that he was able to compare in detail.

Sabom had started out saying, “I don’t believe it.” In the book, he writes that what she described matched what her medical record noted. He says that, from a doctor’s point of view, her account was very realistic. She described the IV, the chest compressions, the mask, and the checks of the pulse in her neck and of her eyes.

What can be checked today about the needle that she says she saw that morning?

What does the evidence say?

What can be checked

We ask every story the same five questions. They don’t tell us whether someone is telling the truth. They tell us what can be shown today. Here we ask them about the small needle Mrs. M. says she saw going into her hand: the blood drawn from an artery to measure the blood gases.

4 of 5
  • Yes
  • Unconfirmed
  • No data
  1. Did anyone tell Mrs. M. how she had been resuscitated before she described what she saw?Mrs. M. says the nurse later told her part of what happened. The nurse told her she had no pulse and wasn’t breathing when the nurse got to her bed. According to Michael Sabom, the cardiologist who interviewed her, Mrs. M. had not seen her medical record. Her account was recorded seven months later, and nothing was written down before that. It is not known what else she may have heard in those months. That doesn’t mean anyone told her.
  2. Is it known at what time Mrs. M. was seriously ill?Yes. Her medical record from that morning has the times. At 7:10 her blood pressure couldn’t be measured. At about 7:15 a cardiac arrest alert was called, and at 7:20 she wasn’t responding. At 8:00 she woke up. Michael Sabom, the cardiologist who studied her case, reproduces those times in his book.
  3. Is it known at what time blood was drawn from Mrs. M.’s artery?Yes. The medical record says the blood from the artery was drawn and sent to the laboratory at 7:30. That was in the middle of the time when Mrs. M. was seriously ill, half an hour before she woke up.
  4. Does the medical record confirm the needle Mrs. M. says she saw?Yes. The medical record confirms that blood was drawn from one of her arteries during the resuscitation to measure the blood gases. Michael Sabom, the cardiologist, says the test is specifically mentioned. It isn’t clear whether the medical record says it was in her hand. The record also doesn’t confirm the IV in her right hand or the bags for the ICU.
  5. Could Mrs. M. have learned about the needle by seeing or hearing in an ordinary way?It can’t be completely ruled out that Mrs. M. learned about the test in an ordinary way. She names the test, “the blood gases,” and she says she could hear what the doctors were saying. Also, the medical record doesn’t say her heart stopped, and she woke up in less than an hour. She may have been conscious at times and seen something with her own eyes. There is no sign that it happened that way. To know for sure, we would need the original resuscitation sheet.

Why we ask each question

When did each thing happen?

With the times in the medical record, we can place what Mrs. M. described. Look at the drawing:

  1. The IV. They started it at 7:20. The medical record doesn’t say in which hand.
  2. The blood from the artery, for the blood gases. It is in the medical record, at 7:30.
  3. The bags for the ICU. They are not in the medical record.
The blue band is the time when Mrs. M. was critically ill. The medical record doesn’t say whether her heart actually stopped.

The blood drawn from the artery is the part that could be checked. It was drawn in the middle of the time when Mrs. M. was seriously ill, half an hour before she woke up.

What is hard to explain

  • The medical record notes the blood drawn from an artery at 7:30. That test matches the one Mrs. M. describes, and it was done while she was seriously ill.
  • According to Michael Sabom, Mrs. M. had never seen her medical record.
  • Mrs. M.’s account doesn’t have the mistakes that 20 of 25 heart patients made when they imagined a resuscitation.
  • What she describes fits a real resuscitation: the chest compressions, the mask, and the checks of the pulse in her neck and of her eyes.

What remains unresolved

  • Mrs. M. names the test, “the blood gases.” She may have heard the doctors say that name. She herself says she could hear what they were saying.
  • The medical record doesn’t say her heart stopped. She woke up in less than an hour, with a normal electrocardiogram. She may have been conscious at times.
  • Drawing blood from an artery is a test that is done in many resuscitations.
  • It is not known whether the medical record says the needle went into her hand. The IV in her right hand and the bags for the ICU are not in the record.
  • Mrs. M. described all this seven months later, and the nurse had already told her part of it. No one has published the original medical record. We only know what Sabom quotes from it.

How many people have an NDE?

Mrs. M. is not a one-off. For more than thirty years, several teams of doctors have asked people who survive a cardiac arrest what they remember. They do it in the hospital, a few days afterward.

Picture 100 of those people:

Each dot is a person. The 18 filled-in dots are the ones who described a near-death experience. That is what the largest study found: 344 people in the Netherlands, in 2001.

The other 82 didn’t describe one. Many remember nothing of their cardiac arrest.

The figure varies from study to study, because each one asks a different group of people
Where and whenPeople interviewedDescribed an NDE
United States, 1982 (Sabom)7843%
England, 2001636%
Netherlands, 200134418%
United States, 20023023%
United States, 200311610%
United Kingdom, United States, and Austria, 20141019%

What these figures don’t tell you

  • Sabom didn’t ask only people who had had a cardiac arrest. Of his 78 survivors, 66 had had a cardiac arrest. The others had been in a coma or had been in an accident. That is why his figure can’t be fully compared with the others.
  • Only some people are asked. In the 2014 study, 330 people survived, but only 140 could be interviewed, and 101 reached the second interview. The rest died later, were too ill, or didn’t respond.
  • Most cardiac arrests are never counted. These studies run in a few hospitals for a limited time. Outside them, no one keeps track. Also, the 2003 study interviewed 1,595 cardiology patients, not just the 116 with cardiac arrest in the table, and 81 of them described an NDE from an earlier occasion. The study did not count them, because it only counted those from that hospital stay.
  • Some people keep quiet. In the accounts in our archive, at least 13 people say they kept their experience to themselves for a while. They kept quiet because they weren’t believed or because they were afraid of how others would react.
  • It depends on how you count. If you count any memory of the cardiac arrest, the numbers go up. If you use a strict scale, they go down. In England in 2001, 7 of 63 people remembered something, but only 4 qualified as an NDE on the scale.

That’s why no one knows the real figure. Every study shows that it isn’t rare. Mrs. M.’s case stands out because her medical record has times. The record places the test she says she saw at 7:30.

Where this story comes from

Books

  • Michael Sabom, Recollections of Death (Harper & Row, 1982), chapters 1 and 7Buy the book

Case documents

  • Mrs. M.’s medical record, as quoted by Sabom in his book (1982)

Studies

Our archive

  • The accounts in the portalecm archive

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